to cut social security and medicare? >> we saw president obama say last week, trying to build up good will for a grand bargain. we've seen the immigration bill. cenk: great. ginger, so first of all grand bargain is a horrible for progress you haves horrible. it cuts social security, medicare and dramatically cuts spending. that's what the president is saving up his capital for. that's awesome. the second thing you mentioned there was immigration reform, but ginger wouldn't it help republicans if the democrats passed immigration reform with the republicans saying it's ok latinos, they're on your side, just politically speaking. >> it could be an issue where they say do we lose, you know, you lose a wedge issue it's gone. one of the important things to remember here, too is that control of the senate, there are a number of democratic senators from conservative states, north carolina louisiana alaska. arkansas, up for election in 2014 and this is an effort to protect them, to keep them from having to vote on something that's not popular in their home state. cenk: that's absolutely right.